特别鸣谢 | 首席领先伙伴

RARA 系统定制家居

以构建国际领先的系统定制家居品牌为理念

对“IDD世界领先设计对话”的支持

IDD世界领先设计对话，是广州设计周联合GIA广州设计周全球伙伴联盟中的中外设计领先机构、组织和媒体发起的一项对话世界设计领先者的国际设计交流计划，IDD世界领先设计对话以「MASTER MIND巨匠的思索」为思想探寻的的主旨方向，希冀通过与世界领先设计巨匠对话，探索世界领先设计思想，以世界领先推动中国领先，以中国领先影响世界设计。

IDD世界领先设计对话 · 宣传片

十几年来，广州设计周对于中国设计与世界领先设计思索的交流对话从未停止，IDD世界领先设计对话以对话巨匠、发掘新声、臻选杰作三大内容版块构建年度运营体系，由此推动世界领先设计与中国设计之间的对话交流和发展。

对话巨匠，追随领先

Dialoguing With Masters To Follow The Leading

IDD将面向世界各国在设计领域具有领先建树、实践和思索的业界翘楚或机构，并联动中外领先设计机构、组织和媒体共同推举，每年甄选“IDD年度设计巨匠”，全年通过登门访谈、演讲论坛等形式对话“IDD年度设计巨匠”，探寻巨匠的思索，策划形成访谈视频、专题、出版刊物等内容，分别在HKDC香港设计中心的BODW+/viuTV进行全球播放，并在中外设计领先传播平台和渠道进行宣发和展示，希冀汇集世界领先设计思索，启迪中国乃至世界设计产业的更新发展。

对话巨匠 追随领先 | VOL.12

陈耀光

中国 | China

陈耀光 Yaoguang Chan

著名室内设计师、典尚设计创始人、光合院主人

Renowned designe, Founder of Dianshang Building Decoration Design Co., Ltd.r, Owner of Light Mix Gallery

1987年，陈耀光毕业于中国美术学院首届环境艺术系，是中国最早一代学院派的室内设计师。现任众多行业内重要职位，如中国建筑装饰协会设计委员会副主任等。从业36年以来，作为导师影响了几代青年设计师。

Renowned designer, Founder of Dianshang Building Decoration Design Co., Ltd.r, Owner of Light Mix Gallery.one of the first generation graduates from the Department of Environmental Art & Design at China Academy of Art in 1987, one of the Chinese interior designers with academic background at an earlier time. Current serves as the head of many design-related associations, such as Deputy Director of China Building Decoration Association. A mentor that influences a few generations’ young designers in the past 36 years’ practice.

陈耀光老师及其合伙27年的典尚设计公司设计了多座美术馆、艺术馆、博物馆、大剧院、音乐厅、企业总部大楼、世界著名总裁办公室、名人工作室、名流私宅等。 代表作有： 浙江音乐厅、弘一法师纪念馆、浙江美术馆、韩美林艺术馆等当代艺术空间。

Mr. Yaoguang Chen, founder of Dianshang Design firm. During the 27 years of lTogether, Mr Chen and Dianshang Design worked on many successful interior design of important galleries, art spaces, museums, theater, music hall, corporate headquarters, office design for world renowned entrepreneurs, celebrity’s studio, private residences, etc. Just to name a few: Zhejiang Concert Hall, Master Hongyi Memorial Hall, Zhejiang Art Museum, Hanmeilin Arts Museum.

光合院后院无边水池

光合院户外休憩平台

- IDD对话巨匠系列专访 -

对话 光合机构召集人&典尚设计创始人——陈耀光

在光合院，感受设计与生活的美学

广州设计周 x RARA x OBJEKT境界杂志 联袂巨献

【对话陈耀光：在光合院，感受设计与生活的美学】访谈正片

近期对“设计领先”做了哪些思考？

What is your recent understanding of leadership?

对公众来说的”领先“一词，可能是一个口号和一个奋进的目标。我认为这可能是传递一种能量，是一个行业、一个时代对未来的发展的向往。这本身没问题，关键是领先在哪里，领“先”还是领“对”？是让城市更干净，还是让我们的 GDP 更繁荣，让邻里之间更和谐，让我们的日子过得更加惬意和安全......此类的领先亦或者是一种争相攀比、争前恐后的一种“领先”？我认为这样的领先是不完整的，尽管它也是驱动着努力争先的一种力量。

The status of my studio here, photosynthesis-yard, can be an example. “Leadership” to the public is more like a slogan and direction for endenvour. I see nothing wrong when there is positive energy and an advocate for an industry, for an era. However, every person has a different standard on what leadership is in each industry, leading a cleaner city, a higher GDP and a more harmonious neighborhood for a more comfortable and self-sustained life. Leading should not be just competing or scambling without caring. This type of "leading", in my opinion, is not complete, although it dose serve as good motivation.

这么多年，我参加的都是城市发展的楼堂馆所相关的设计，近几年，我的兴趣点是更小的器物，表现形式更有趣，可能是一件新的装置，一件家具，或者小型艺术空间。因为创作者当下对岁月的思考，可以承载在那些小小的器物上面。

I did interior design some 30 years ago from discussion over urban design, architectural design or interior and artistic space design, the so-called "design and build". What interests me more recently is smaller objects, mini scales. It could be a new installation, could be an artistic creation which indicates the mindset of that creator.

近年，我除了几十年的室内空间设计，也开始研创了一系列艺术定制化的设计成果：从当代艺术空间的定制，再到私人居所的整体艺术化定制。同时定制创作了大量收藏再造与原创艺术家具。无论是空间整体设计，还是独立设计家具，我一直琢磨着古典和现代与未来生活的关系。集中更多的时间，投入到如何将旧器物产生新表情。这个成果我暂命名为《苏醒》系列，即收藏再造设计系列。把多年收藏的古家具、旧器物，进行解构组合，最终完成对藏品（一块木头、一件老家具，或是一个旧构件），进行设计改良，使其进入当代人的生活美学空间中。古为今用，将传统器物从库房的展示中，步入现代生活的日常领域。让曾经岁月中的老家具不再孤独。

Built on a few decades of interior design works, I have developed a series of artistic design works, from artistic space design to holistic private villa artistic customization. By revamping old objects with new materials, I can bring out the new look of existing objects, hence I call it the "Awakening" series.

光合院现浇混凝土构造空间

原创艺术摆件《丫丫》光合院陈列场景

古典，在光影下的苏醒——陈耀光

收藏再造设计家具“苏醒”系列《满园春色》光合院陈列场景

古典，在光影下的苏醒——陈耀光

收藏再造设计家具“苏醒”系列《玻璃芯》光合院陈列场景

看到过去，投射未来。让岁月苏醒，让精致生活更透明。——陈耀光

让彩色的空气，盘旋在古典的柜门之间。——陈耀光

收藏再造设计家具“苏醒”系列《呼吸的风琴》

2021年上海BFC外滩金融中心[光的时光屋]展览图

原创设计家具《马卡龙》

2020年第七届上海西岸艺术与设计博览会 [光盒物仓]展览图

曾经的黑白围棋，彼此对弈，公平的开局，没有输赢，

只有彩色的味蕾，将可口甜满生活空间。——陈耀光

您认为未来会有什么样的设计趋势？

What will future trends in design be like in your opinion?

未来的设计趋势，这是一个很庞大的课题。从前，我们强调时尚、科技、国际化，而现在，由于全球疫情，在未来我们将更关注健康、安全、手工和温度，以及那些无法被科技所替代的材料的原始性和生命力，比如原木、原石、流水自然的声音。渴求健康与和平的生活年代，让人更加自发地找回自己人性的归属感，向往精神安宁。消费价格和社会身份将被弱化，而艺术生活会成为主流和日常。

Design trends in the future is a big topic. We used to focus on fashion, technology, globalization, whereas now we focus more on health, safety, artisanship, warmth. These are irreplacable for technology. Natural wood, rocks, the sound of a creek, people will desire a more healthy and peaceful life, long for peace of mind. High priced goods and social status will be cared less, art and spiritual life will be the main topics.

未来还有很多惊喜等着我们，因为人类对科技、对地球的好奇会（让我们）不自觉推动时代进步，只要我们足够有信心，可以见证许多奇迹。人工智能、元宇宙等等元素，它们会交错在一起给我们一个崭新的世界。

There are many surprises await us in the future. As mankind’s curiosity towards technology and the planet is progressing as long as we continue to breath and live long enough we will witness more miracles. I have no doubt about it. Carbon-based life, AI and Metaverse will cross paths.

我原本以为智能模式化是冰冷的，但我现在感受到了智能化中有人性的关怀和温度。当你用遥控器 “PLAY”（播放），它的灯光慢慢暗下来的“瞬间”，酷似眼睛在睡觉前合上的速度，很轻很柔，很有温度感，而不是咔嚓一下的速度，让你突兀。人的生理节奏会逐渐适应地进入数码的编程体系。

In the past I thought AI or smart control system was indifferent, now I can see some human touch and warmth in some equipment. When you press "PLAY" on the remote control, light dims slowly as if I was closing my eyes before sleep, very gently. It is not a sudden switch on-off that would startle you, they programmed human feel into the digital system.

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怎样平衡对项目的热爱和商业的理性考量？

How to balance your own project driven passion like this one and professional interior design project?

为了热爱，可以不遗余力地去做，直到做到满意为止。当然在另一方面，如果说商业的项目，就如我们典尚设计团队多年来所做的各类项目，都会涉及到时间和预算的硬性商业要求。我认为平衡热爱与商业像魔术一样，如何与甲方的需求达成平衡，需要有独特的技巧和倾向。某种意义上来说是妥协，但在更深的层面上来说也不是妥协，而是“服务”。设计是一个服务行业，这是每位设计师都很清楚的一件事。

Here in this Studio, it is the result of passion without any concern of time and cost. I like to see this project grow naturally to beome to my sactisfory state. However, when it comes to commercial projects, there is a set of clear goals and restraints such as time and budget to follow. That balance (among those restraints) is like a magic. Every designer has their own way of finding balance. You have to find a balance or compromise between the design concept and client’s needs and conditions, deep down it is not compromised, it is a service, let’s face it, design is service. This is something every designer should know.

浙江美术馆 2010年

李叔同纪念馆 2004年

韩美林艺术馆银川馆 2015年

为什么会打造这座光合院？

Why did you build this studio?

告别了曾经拥有过16年的千岛湖的岛屿，以及12年的凤凰山的南宋院子，光合院是我对院落空间理想的持续探究，祈求发现人与环境生活的新美学。这个项目（光合院）是我对自我职业重要的一次转型点。

Bidding farewell to the island I used to own for 16 years in the Thousand Islands Lake and then to Southern Song Dynasty courtyard of Phoenix Mountain owned for 12 years, Photosynthesis-yard, or Guanghe Courtyard, is my continuous exploration of the ideal Chinese courtyard space, wishing to discover a new aesthetic of human and environmental life. This project is an important transition point in my career.

2004-2016年 典尚设计南宋老院子

2002-2018年 千岛湖小岛

2015 - 至今 光合院

花了5年的时间来打造光合院，这是我作为室内设计师三十年的设计理念和设计实践的一次总结，也是设计理想和生活美学的一次表达。既是一次非常私人情感的表述，又是一次非主流的空间尝试，记录我儿时成长的记忆和江南城市的印记。

It took me 5 years to build this studio/courtyard, which is a summary of my design philosophy and design practice as an interior designer for over 30 years, and an expression of design ideals and life aesthetics. It is not only a very personal expression of emotions, but also a non-mainstream spatial attempt, recording my childhood memories and the impression of Jiangnan City.

“完美有缺、善意、诙谐、非主流”。光合院是一个聚集空间设计、艺术展览、研学交流、设计会客厅、设计研发成果样板、私人收藏博物馆等概念的融合性院落空间。”多年来积淀的私人艺术收藏、陈设作品、原创装置和家具等系列艺术定制化的设计成果皆集合于此，呈现出我“心中的理想院落”。

"Perfection is flawed, well-intentioned, witty, non-mainstream". Photosynthesis-yard, or Guanghe Courtyard, is an integrated courtyard space that gathers concepts such as space design, art exhibition, research and study exchange, design living room, design R&D achievement model, private collection museum and so on. ” Over the years, we have accumulated private art collections, furnishings, original installations and furniture have been brought together to present the "ideal courtyard" in my mind.

我和光合团队在光合院内尝试各类设计艺术实践，如2021年底发布了艺术生活空间样本——“澄观：艺宿光合”展览，联合策划团队和艺术家们将光合院作为艺术栖居生活的实验场所，完成了一次美学空间与生活的再造。2020年及2021年，与光合机构团队携旗下的「光盒物仓」受邀参加第七届西岸艺术与设计博览会和第二届“设计之春”当代中国家具设计展。启发大众把对艺术遥不可及的印象转为“艺术是日常生活的一部分”的概念，展示当下的设计美学与生活智慧。2021年11月，在上海 BFC 外滩金融中心1900艺术空间，又推出了“光的时空屋”，展开了一次江南园林与摩登都市对话的美学空间模式。

My team and I tried various artist design practices in the courtyard, such as the release of the art living space sample "Chengguan: Yisu Guanghe" exhibition at the end of 2021, and the joint planning team and artists used the Guanghe courtyard as an experimental place for art to live and live, completing a re-creation of aesthetic space and life. In 2020 and 2021, together with the team of Photosynthetic Institution Team, together with its "Light Box Warehouse", we were invited to participate in the 7th West Bund Art & Design Fair and the 2nd "Design Spring" Contemporary Chinese Furniture Design Exhibition. We hope to inspire the public and bring the notion of art closer to people and blending art into their daily life by showing the current design aesthetics and life wisdom. In November 2021, at the 1900 Art Space of the Bund Financial Center (BFC) in Shanghai, "Time and Space House of Light" was launched, launching an aesthetic space mode of dialogue between Jiangnan gardens and modern cities.

光合院庭院草坪

光合院户外休憩平台

什么是现在的年轻人喜欢的设计？

What are the good designs for the younger generation?

首先可能是“反叛”。当然年轻人不是简单地只是对立，他们更喜欢“直接”，不愿意被说教，不随主流，坚守自己的价值观。其次是“未来科技”，诸如科幻作品中的元宇宙、潮玩等等，此类色彩鲜艳的（作品）对年轻人来说是有趣且有吸引力的。年轻人不需要刻意去准备情绪过度，他们可以瞬间投入到一次想走就走的旅行。

First of all, the designers nowadays are born rebellious, they prefer "direct", do not like to be told nor follow the mainstream, they stand firm with their values. Secondly, future-oriented, scientifically and technically advanced, even universe-oriented digital applications or toys will be most exciting for them, possibly most relaxing pastime.

他们追求要么辣的，要么冰的那种刺激感。对趣味、幽默、友善有着独到的理解。与他们能够幽默互动的时候是最放松的，它能够消解很多严肃的障碍，让人在轻松愉悦中彼此心领神会，这就是幽默调侃的力量。就如我曾经描述设计那样：“做设计的乐趣在于没有成就感也有愉悦感，少一点条理多一些幽默，不一定对称庄严，可以模糊松弛些，让简单快乐走进我们的生活。”

There is no transition period for emotional build-up or slow mental preparation, they want direct and instant, either spicy or icy, not the traditional tea ceremony choosing green tea or black tea. Of course they like very much the fun, humorous and teasinfood for thoughts. I find it easy and friendly when I interact with young people with jokes. Humor is a great power in the world that melts many boundaries caused by serious confrontations and problems. Like I used to say, design can be very chilled, simply bringing easy joy to people's lives.

光合院户外休憩平台

光合院艺术会客厅

第一件的收藏和现在的一件贴身或贴心的收藏？

What was your first piece of art or antique collection and the recent/favorite one?

我的第一件收藏是因为一次偶然获得。1986年大学毕业设计，考察敦煌途径塔尔寺，花费了身上全部旅费的三分之——150元，在寺庙门口，从藏民身上交换了一把腰间的藏刀。我想这是我旅途异域收藏兴趣的开始。

My first piece of art collection was purely coincidental. I was on my graduation tour in Dunhuang before my college graduation in 1986, by chance we were passing by Ta Er temple, I paid in total 150RMB for the knife, back then it was 1/3 of total budget of the whole trip. So that was my first piece of collection bought from a local Tibantan at the gate of the temple. My fascination with collecting art pieces along my journey begins.

现在手上带着的（手镯）也很有意思。收藏自法国南部尼斯旁的圣保罗德旺斯艺术小镇。小店的主人是一对夫妇，太太是建筑师，先生也许是艺术家。他将生活中的就餐的勺子、叉子进行了加工，把它们捶打成了一个圈，做了这个金属的手镯。

This bracelet I am wearing has an interesting story too. We were driving on the mountain near Nice, France and we encountered an art store owned by a couple. The wife is an architect, the husband might be an artist of sort too. What he did with this piece was heating up normal forks and spoons that we use daily and stretching them longer, welded to join the ends together to make a bracelet.

它原本只是日常生活中常见的器物，出于对生活的感悟、生活的巧思，将勺子、叉子焊接成这么一个镯子，有温度地戴在手上，我认为在创意上一点都不输给大师们的作品，勺子、叉子和镯子都在跟手发生关系，吃饭的手可以拿着它，也可以戴着它，感觉非常接地气，同时又具有象征性和仪式感。

I often talked about design and art based on daily life, this is an example of it. This bracelet is so simply made with daily objects, and the design is no less than any masterpiece in my opinion. These folks and spoons, from being held by people to hanging around the wrist, become more like a symbol or belief. It has a totally different meaning now.

同一个艺术手镯在不同的旅途中的掠影

光合院艺术会客厅

光合院二楼艺术展示走廊

您会给年轻设计师什么样的建议？

What kind of advice would you give to younger designers?

我们现在更关注年轻人的成长。从业 30 多年，我被邀参加的许多社会活动都是跟培养新生代设计人才关联的，包括公益基金会、学会大赛大奖、艺术学院、培训基地等等。只是，有时候我会思考几个问题——“年轻人需要我们用怎样的方式去关心他们？我们如何起到了关心的作用？我年轻的时候是如何被启发的？”

Nowadays we pay more attention to young designer's growth. In my over 30 years’ career, my involvement in many design industry events has been aiming to support the future of young designers, including working with Non-profit organizations, many foundations, associations, academy, trade fair, training center, public classes, and official appearances etc. I always have the questions such as ” does the young people need us to support in this way? Does the support work? Who suppoted me when I was young?”

年轻人要保持对世界的好奇，去探索人和环境的关系，去思考设计如何打动自己，感动别人。我曾经说过：施工图是画不出精彩世界的，要身临其境体验精彩的真实世界。我们这些所谓的“老前辈”也是这么过来的，其实目前为止，我们依然和他们一样，对世界有着诸多的困惑不解，这方面我们并没有比年轻人领先太多。

Young designers shall have curiosity and sensitivity toward the world as a starting point. The older generation, like myself, did not achieve what we have today easily, not saying we did great or anything like that, just to say it has not been easy for us. Furthermore, the future is uncertain for us too, so to a certain extent we are as confused about the future as for young designers.

年轻人在向前奔跑时，要学会锻炼自己的独立判断，并听从内心的呼声。扬长避短，做你自己最愿意沉得下心来的事情。把事情做得跟别人不一样，展现你独一无二的成果，成就你自身的价值。

When young people move forward with their life and career, they should learn to exercise their independent thinking and follow their hearts. Take advantage of the strengths and avoid weaknesses, and do what you feel is the most natural thing to do. Try to do things differently than others, show your unique qualities, and achieve your own value.

光合院下沉式休息区

光合院西院白墙及花窗

陈耀光30多年来的诗性工作笔记

○ 一杯水会因为容器的精美而变成享受。

○ 设计是一种预谋。

○ 风不会老，光不会旧，声音不会打折，想象力是最鲜活的。

○ 将贵的东西放在便宜的地方，是场所精神的自信。

○ 看得见的场所，看不见的设计，让精神再现。

○ 光，不仅是照亮方向，更是点燃想象。

○ 设计让艺术生活成为日常。

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